The Alumni News is being retooled... in the meantime I thought it might be fun to display comments that folks have submitted to pictures in our photo gallery. Comments are displayed in reverse chronological order (most recent first) Enjoy!
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looks like jerry costelle on the right and tussy on the left
Posted by David Maegle (1973-1980) | Picture 51 |
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Correction: #3 front is Flynn.
Posted by Christopher Bupert (1970-1972) | Picture 42 |
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#4 Front fifer is Flynn, #2 (2nd row) John Shea, #3 (2nd row) may be Guzman.
Posted by Christopher Bupert (1970-1972) | Picture 42 |
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What picture?*
Posted by Raymond Tonchen, Jr. (1981-1983) | Picture 0 |
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That's me standing next to Bob Hope wearing my drumstrap with my drumsticks tucked into my arm. A great trip, Mr. Hope liked the Corps alot.
Posted by Richard Lunsford {Jr.} (1976-1996) | Picture 113 |
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Write your comment here I am the second snare from the
right
Posted by Richard Cross (1962-1965) | Picture 217 |
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Chris Cleven was Corps Sgt on this trip --- it was an excellent trip and Chris was in his leadership element. Chris did a great job as interim Corps Sgt over the years...
Posted by Brian Ledbetter (1982-2001) | Picture 113 |
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I only wish I could comment fully! Bennie was a pain in the ass, but we did have some smokin' good times! We worked hard and played hard. God help me, I do miss those days. Then again, with the wife and kids (and me not being a new dick) - things couldn't be better!
Posted by Edward Gillaspie (1980-1983) | Picture 237 |
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The Bat'l commanders name was Daugherty, I think that is how it was spelled.
Posted by Stan Everett (1968-1970) | Picture 36 |
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The above comment was not made by me ...
Posted by Ralph Wilson, Jr. (1963-1964) | Picture 126 |
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The Corps was escorting Prime Minister Harold Wilson off the White House grounds after a visit with Richard Nixon. He later commented in the Washington Post that he loved hearing us play British Grenadiers.
Posted by Stan Everett (1968-1970) | Picture 40 |
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I believe one of the buglers on the Christmas march was Jim Mesiano. Hope I spelled that right.
Posted by Stan Everett (1968-1970) | Picture 43 |
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Write your comment here I believe this photo was a parade at Fort Huachucca, AZ
Posted by Stan Everett (1968-1970) | Picture 32 |
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Haha, now she gets to drum major the Army's "thundering herd"
Posted by Andrew Ruddle (2005-2008) | Picture 249 |
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Man was it ever cold that day! We were doing a rehearsal on the ice with corafram shoes! Needless to say, I had a flask in me ole inside coat pocket to keep my bones warm after all was said and done!
Posted by Danny Arnette (1977-1980) | Picture 86 |
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A few other memories of that morning; hanging around waiting to tape that show we were in the ground floor of Macy's along with Helen Reddy, Ben Vereen, and the Kilgore "Rangerettes" whose chaperones were not pleased with many of corps members leering at their young charges. Also I was amazed to watch some lackey change Ed McMahon's (he was doing the commentary) wet socks whilst Ed first lifted one foot then the other.
Posted by Randy Wilcox (1973-1976) | Picture 62 |
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I still think of Everett often, as I'm sure that many of you do. He was a fine man and a good friend. I still miss him.
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 70 |
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That was a fun trip. Jack's right- it WAS a fine drumline, one of the best I've ever seen or heard before or since. Most of we bugle types didn't get into musters, but Sergeant Andy Alvarez let me drive up to that one with my wife and daughter (car overheated in the Baltimore tunnel, but that's another story). Had a great time that weekend.
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 72 |
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Still think this is one of the best photos ever taken of the Corps. I had just flunked out of Music School in Little Creek (The "Pool of Mucus"), had auditioned for the Corps and had been accepted. Hadn't seen them perform, so watched my new unit on national TV while sitting in the barracks down in Little Creek. (Oh, if I'd only known.... <grin>)
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 62 |
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Check out the 70's gas-guzzler in the background. Nice shot, Phipper!
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 241 |
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Ah! My buddy Gary Burke, who uttered that immortal line "We? What, have you got a frog in your pocket?"
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 243 |
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Don't know which was cooler- seeing the picture of Bennie and Rich, or reading Andy and Jack's comments on the photos!
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 237 |
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Happy Holidays ~ All the best in '07.
www.gigmasters.com/elvis/BrianKaye www.bkayeproductions.com
Posted by Brian Ledbetter (1982-2001) | Picture 172 |
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Mike, here's my email: Boomer76@verizon.net Send me an email, love to hear from you!!
Posted by Richard Lunsford {Jr.} (1976-1996) | Picture 235 |
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Oh my gosh!! I forgot about the "Wake Up" job!!!! Hey, Pipeline, great to see your comments there!! Drop me an email, will ya? I'd love to hear from you. I hope all is well with you!! Cheez
Posted by Richard Lunsford {Jr.} (1976-1996) | Picture 235 |
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Pete Hubert and Pete Yeskavitch are in the front row. Jim Casey is the drummer in the back row far right side. The Warrant Officer is Mr. Kenny
Posted by Rodney Boward (1970-1980) | Picture 53 |
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Can confirm Grantham and Peterson. I don't remember this shot, but do think that is me on the snare.
Posted by Jonathan Duane Haffield (1966-1967) | Picture 228 |
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" Do you want to explain to me what you are doing out there?" Uhhhhhhhhhhhh was my standard response! With a smile of course. :)
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 235 |
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" Do you want to explain to me what you are doing out there?" Uhhhhhhhhhhhh was my standard response! With a smile of course. :)
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 235 |
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Pretty sure this was San Antonio. Maybe 1985.
Posted by Megan Tierney-Ward (1983-1986) | Picture 109 |
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Sorry Cole. I picked your name off the drop list by mistake. Sis.
Posted by Megan Tierney-Ward (1983-1986) | Picture 107 |
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Cole still has our father's sweat glands!
Posted by Cole Tierney (1982-1985) | Picture 107 |
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I remember this. I was center bugler. It was Armed Forces Day Review at Andrews AFB 1989. It was one of my last jobs
Posted by Terry Schiffbauer (1985-1989) | Picture 294 |
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Andrea and Scott are both right, it was 1986. The picture shown has Ted Kruzckowski as second row center. When in fact, just like Brian Pentony, we were watching the show beers in hand. I remember Randy Hauck getting the fallen espontoon and Woody not talking to anyone for the next few days.
Mark Francis' father happened to be there that day with a video camera in hand... and I still have a VHS copy of that show. The label reads......... Woody 1986
Posted by Duane Fleming (1981-2002) | Picture 236 |
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Write your comment here first row fifers left to right#1 Buppert,#2 Steffek,#3 can't recall ? .#4 Grossman,#5 lester
2nd row fifers#1 Aiello
Posted by Jack Steffek (1969-1971) | Picture 42 |
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That was about 2 more songs and 4 more notes than Robotti knew. Sorry Paul - Hope all is well with you.
Posted by Steve Neitz (1968-1970) | Picture 40 |
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I remember this job well. We were supposed to march on and countermarch into position. We lined up in reverse order (for our ripple lines) and when we did NOT countermarch as expected, we ended up in reverse order for the show. Some how, some way, we dreamed up a fix on the spot to get ourselves back in the right order. Needless to say, there was a lot of talking going on in the ranks that day!
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 140 |
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This was NOT the year of the flying espontoon. I saw it happen (I was having a beer) and it was not the year of the rims. I was back at Ft Myer that year when Cheez called to tell us to send the rims. We gave them to Jocko that day and they sat in the office for a few days without being mailed. That might have contributed to your 9.999 day restriction. Oops! For some strange reason, I was always having a beer at the Lonestar when crazy stuff happened. Oh, and the funny thing was that Herb Ballangee (Drill team NCOIC) warned Woody repeatadly about the wires. The last thing Woody said was, "What, does he think I look stupid"?
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 236 |
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I once performed with your much YOUNGER brothers!!
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 287 |
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No, I do not :)
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 106 |
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Awesome picture. You guys and gals are great. That could not be BURGER in the CENTER could it? Jerry Chewning come join the fun.
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 96 |
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So as to not be left out...That is my right arm and sticks!! Notice the clean tape. Great trip!
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 113 |
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FORGETTING RIMS??? What PROFESSIONAL would do such a terrible act? I got to be on BURGER restriction for only 9.99999 days of the 10 day trip!! He He He. Dino Trapp
Posted by Dino Trapp (1980-1986) | Picture 236 |
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Let's see...ummm, commissary --- paper towels, cat litter, turkey burgers...
Posted by Brian Ledbetter (1982-2001) | Picture 160 |
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Good catch Kathy. We have often dated our photos based on the whether we were using old or new drums. However, there was a time when the first set of drums went back to be fixed and we pulled the old drums out of the musuem for a month or two. This could have been one of those times.
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 294 |
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Write your comment here I know I wasn't on this job as I was on an early out job transition. Certainly it was not Swanson as I know he left the corps early in 1970 and it wasn't Michel Scott either as he got out about 6 months before I did
Posted by Jack Steffek (1969-1971) | Picture 225 |
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Aren't the guys in the red during the Revolutionary War against the U.S. If so why are they standing if front of the White House? Maybe it is because you are trying to show that there is peace between us now? Could you please send me an answer soon. Thank you.
Posted by Ralph Wilson, Jr. (1963-1964) | Picture 126 |
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I believe 1986 was the year that Woody got the espontoon stuck at the brewery show. It was BJ's and my first San Antonio trip.
Posted by Scott Redfield (1985-1988) | Picture 236 |
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Look's like Ron Feuhrer 65-68 at drum major and Gary Peterson 66-67 plaid shirt and yes that is Genius on base drum .
Posted by Thomas Moyers (1965-1968) | Picture 228 |
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PIPELINE! How the heck are you! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?????? I don't think you got zapped that day, did you? Or, I could be wrong. Remember the double whammy in taking 8's when Cheez slammed his sticks into the drum and yelled "WAKE UP". I think that might have been Staten Island when both ends of the line started the turn in the same direction. We just stared at each other wondering who screwed what up knowing we were going to die! Everytime I hear that tune, I hear "WAKE UP". Your technique with no stick is as good as most with a stick. did you know that they were looking for Jimmy Hoffa in Michigan. I think they found parts of your Volkswagon! HE HE HE!
Hope all is going well. Drop me a line when you get a chance. bpentony@ticom.com
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 235 |
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Hi Darryl! Scott says hi, too!
Posted by Kathy Mullen (1987-1990) | Picture 127 |
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Haha! I was there, too, only I was 11 years old! I remember all the speeches and the heat, but I sat in the shade of a bass drum. I remember that we all had to have these i.d. cards, and mine said "Ross Andrews" as he had just left our corps for The Old Guard and I was added on too late to get my own.
Posted by Kathy Mullen (1987-1990) | Picture 94 |
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Wait, I joined in Sept. 87, and I'm there in the front row, and I don't think I managed that in three months. Also, Derek Catt is in there and he came in in '88.
Posted by Kathy Mullen (1987-1990) | Picture 294 |
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Yes that's right,The loneliest feeling.After this gig was over Woody gave me my stick back and had this wierd look saying silently"Boy what is Burger going to say to you"?There are two things he can say to me "WAKE UP"(Too late for that)or "Do you want to explain to me what you are doing out there"?(with him leaning on his drum looking at you)Ask Ross Andrews or Loid Zoid they will be glad to explain to you(For those who don't know Loid Ziod (AKA Dino Trapp) NEW NEW NEW
The Pipeline
Posted by Michael Watters (1981-1989) | Picture 235 |
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I stand corrected..Brian and McAllister are correct. it has to be 1987. It was one of the last trips I made.. Old age and senility setting in...can't wait for the 50th Reunion....
Posted by John Frank (1982-1987) | Picture 146 |
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looking back @ this I really think that it was our dress attire that scared her.
Posted by Robert McAllister (1985-2006) | Picture 174 |
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Although both statements are true, Brian and Rick are off my Christmas mailing List. I had nice picture cards of me in a santa suit too... your loss. Beej
Posted by Robert McAllister (1985-2006) | Picture 248 |
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Bart your the one that looks pissed off... You're new for not knowing better.
Posted by Robert McAllister (1985-2006) | Picture 245 |
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Andrea is right, I was on that job too. This was the year Dino forgot his rims.
Posted by Robert McAllister (1985-2006) | Picture 236 |
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Richard Soistman:
I knew your uncle Buck and his wife Marie quite well. Jim Goff, Gene Crain, SGT George Carroll (our instructor)and I made many trips to Buck's shop in Baltimore, MD, particularly during those days when the Fife & Drum Corps was first being formed (1960-1961).
Buck, aside from being a surperb field drummer, was a first class craftsman and a noted 18th Century Revolutionary War historian. He personally hand made all the rope tension drums for both the Fife & Drum Corps and the US Army Band, instruments that, I beleive, are still in use today.
Buck Soistman was a fine man and a good friend.
Gary Mastroleo (CSM-Ret)
Posted by Gary Mastroleo (1960-1961) | Picture 154 |
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drum major here correction tour of duty was up 08/31/64
Posted by Wayne Beddoe (1962-1964) | Picture 210 |
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drum major here
Posted by Wayne Beddoe (1962-1964) | Picture 210 |
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great web site just discovered it. Wayne Beddoe
Posted by Wayne Beddoe (1962-1964) | Picture 14 |
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Hey dad, looking good! This is my dad, he is an incredible guy. In a world where father's are disfunctional and absent, my dad is the antithetical. He taught me how to be a man. I appreciate him, he is the greatest. His legacy lives on through me and my son.
Posted by Wayne Beddoe (1962-1964) | Picture 13 |
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It's troubling to me to know Brian's life was an unhappy one and that he's gone...I saw signs of dispair over time and didn't do enough. I regret not having been closer and doing more to help him.
Brian always performed 100% in regard to uniform appearance, marching and instrumental proficiency. Although aspects of his life were uncertain, his dedication to the mission of the Corps never waivered.
Like a few of us, Brian attended college at night to complete a degree --- in a Corps era when school was considered to be having, "too many outside interests". I will always remember how much he enjoyed taking his courses and how we would swap stories about professors that we shared. I think the happiest I ever saw him was at graduation --- what an accomplishment, he was thrilled and proud. He was a good person and I'm glad I had the opportunity to know him ~ it was too brief.
Posted by Brian Ledbetter (1982-2001) | Picture 134 |
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Pretty sure this is Philadelphia in 1987. We had the new drums shortly after this.
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 133 |
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You would be correct Megan..it was a Bobe Hope Benefit. I spent 45 minutes backstage talking to Don Johnson and had no clue who he was at the time(because Miami Vice had just come out)Lonnie invited everyone to his house on our off day and then they gave us an option of a bus and free tickets to the new Epcot Center at Disney so I went with the group to Disney. I remember juggling fruit at the Fontain Blue Hilton, and talking to a Bellboy who had been there when Jerry Lewis made his movie "The Bellboy"..It was also one of my favorite FDC stories that I still tell today..the buglers went to eat and one of us asked the waitress "What's Quiche?" I won't say who it was..but he pronounced it kuweechee...we all laughed and the waitress keep a straight face as she explained......GOOD TIMES
Posted by John Frank (1982-1987) | Picture 113 |
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Write your comment here I recognize this picture I'm second from left front row Jack Steffek end man on left is Buppert.
Currently not on the Alumni list please add me
Jack Steffek
Posted by John (Jack) Stecher (1976-1979) | Picture 31 |
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Write your comment here This was the closest name to mine that I could find on the Alumni Listings. I am a long lost fifer alum Jack Steffek 1969-1971 .Robotti, Grossman and the rest of the gang on 7th Street keep me posted. I had dinner with Swanson a couple of years ago in Park City , Utah. How are you all doing ??
Jack Steffek Geneva Illinois
Posted by John (Jack) Stecher (1976-1979) | Picture 53 |
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Wow....didn't know you guys had this picture. One of the only ones that I can actually see myself in the unit.
I hope that everyone is doing well!!
Posted by Pete D'Hondt (1992-1996) | Picture 182 |
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This was 87. This was my 1st River parade. 86 was Brian,Ross and cheez. I watched w/ crank at some bar.BJ
Posted by Robert McAllister (1985-2006) | Picture 146 |
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Yes John, that was the trip. Sooooooooo...you took part in the hibachi caper ~ You may want to sleep with one eye open tonight. Also, it takes more than 6 years of service to refer to me by my last name --- 'cause you're NEW!!!
I'm glad you are well. We all had some good times after all...too bad it's hard to realize it at the time. Take care, BK (having a blast at www.bkayeproductions.com)
Posted by Brian Ledbetter (1982-2001) | Picture 108 |
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Again, old drums, pre-88. Also, is that Kai Hailey in the bugles, back right? Jocko in the fife section leads me to believe this is 87.
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 294 |
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My guess is that this is 87 and it's Olmos Park, the "priveledged" gig we used to do in the rich neighborhood.
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 168 |
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I am guessing 87 as I was not section leader until after San Antonio in 86. And....I wore my wedding band on my right hand when I drummed and it looks like I was not married at this time. New drums came in 88 so that's the latest it could be.
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 146 |
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someone put my name on this foto by mistake.I dont really know anything about it.
Posted by George Brown (1963-1966) | Picture 34 |
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hi,my name is richard soistman,my uncle name is charles,buck soistman he was the drum major there, could you please tell me what you know about him.. thank you
Posted by Robert Parker (1962-1964) | Picture 154 |
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If I remember correctly this was the trip we stole Ledbetters hibachi while he was in the shower and stuck it on the basketball goal in the armory we were staying at...A bunch of us starting making "late night" attacks against some others and we mummified someone (might have been Dwight) to his cot with 20 rolls of T-paper we found..by the end of this trip people had put empty beer cans around their cots like barbwire to sound the alarm of late night shenaniggans...
Posted by John Frank (1982-1987) | Picture 108 |
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If I remember correctly this was the trip we stole Ledbetters hibachi while he was in the shower and stuck it on the basketball goal in the armory we were staying at...A bunch of us starting making "late night" attacks against some others and we mummified someone (might have been Dwight) to his cot with 20 rolls of T-paper we found..by the end of this trip people had put empty beer cans around their cots like barbwire to sound the alarm of late night shenaniggans...
Posted by John Frank (1982-1987) | Picture 108 |
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This picture was definitely taken at the Marquis of Granby Muster in Granby, Conn. in 1979 not 1980. The Muster was to be held in Everett Miners Honor and to my knowledge; it was also suppose to be his birthday. The citizens of Granby wanted to Honor Everett for his contribution to the Marquis of Granby Fife and Drum Corps and for becoming a member of the Elite Old Guard Fife and Drum Corps. Unfortunately, as we all know, Everett was killed in an auto accident before this muster, so the muster then became a memorial. The evidence can be seen on the left shoulder of all in the picture. It is a small black velvet sash that we wore in his honor and his absents. I still have mine!
Posted by Mark Barnes (1977-1980) | Picture 90 |
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I need new glasses; of course you're right.
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 23 |
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Paul is now a sophomore at Rose-Hulman Institute of Technology. He was the "first" corps baby born to a female member of the corps. I'm very proud! (Notice, however, the track of his eyes. He is male, after all.)
Posted by Cindy Creasey (1984-1987) | Picture 270 |
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I thought that this was the actual school for some reason! How retarded can i get? I've had some, um, dain bramage, I mean brain damage since i came out of there. PEACE!
Posted by George Brown (1963-1966) | Picture 34 |
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"Pike's Peak Or Bust" Rodeo, if I remember correctly....
Posted by Paul Benoit (1970-1973) | Picture 45 |
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My Father William F. Gately, Motorcycle Officer in MPD V formation.
Posted by Robert MacAlaster (1966-1968) | Picture 217 |
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Not Mike Masciola, he was gone then. Swanson? Stanick? I think it's an "S" guy....
Definitely me there - P.Benoit - "Pint", not half-pint!
The event coincided with the Army's Birthday, celebrated on June 14th; we did a show for that, too.
Kamehameha Day is June 11th, I believe? So it's right in there somewhere.
Thanks, Brandy, for the picture!
Posted by Paul Benoit (1970-1973) | Picture 225 |
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I remember this change od command taking forever (like 3 1/2 hours) in this aircraft hanger, and they keep saying everything in english and spanish..I was center bugle and after the 3rd hour Crank starts saying "Hox...you OK?" Crank called me and the I sent word up to Phipper that Hox was in trouble...Phipper got back to Hox right before his knees went...we get back and call SMAG back in DC and he says all CNN showed was 5 shot in total. 2 Speeches / Troop in Review / 1 audience shot and // Hox going down .. your right brian never have so few worn so much (wool) to sweat for so little
Posted by John Frank (1982-1987) | Picture 122 |
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female fifer front center guys & i only made two trips to san antonio 85/86..i think i went the year of this picture
Posted by John Frank (1982-1987) | Picture 146 |
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I carried a base drumm that day. 1st and last time I ever did that.
Posted by George Brown (1963-1966) | Picture 221 |
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this is the washington monument in 65. I have this picture and I'm the snare 2nd from left. Also I dropped a drum stick that day.
Posted by George Brown (1963-1966) | Picture 23 |
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I was the snare drummer on the outside left.It was very cold that day and we did wear white gloves that day with the fingers cut off.
Posted by George Brown (1963-1966) | Picture 217 |
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This was not the group of people who got hit by the espontoon. I was marching front row center and blocked the stick with my arm as it was coming through the air and headed right for me.
Posted by Andrea Frankenfield (1984-2003) | Picture 236 |
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This was one muster where I broke down and bought a pewter mug. I still have that mug. It resides in my freezer and continues to serve proudly!
Posted by Edward Benson (1974-1982) | Picture 89 |
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Hehe...there was a trip!! From the swans to the "pooftahs", this was one of the best. Believe it or not, Jocko and I were stone sober when we had our tats applied. A situation we sought to remedy immediately thereafter!! The "duck" has faded a bit over time, but the memroies are still as clear as ever.
Posted by Edward Benson (1974-1982) | Picture 75 |
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What a great shot of a wonderful guy! Tommy was a friend who is still sorely missed. Thanks Phipper!!
Posted by Edward Benson (1974-1982) | Picture 238 |
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Well it was after '83 cuz we didn't have the likes of Ross on snare when I was in. ;-)
Posted by Sven Bridstrup (1980-1983) | Picture 146 |
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1965-1969 are the right years for me.....Steven Honohan
Posted by Steve Honohan (1965-1969) | Picture 32 |
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I remember when Dan Sheldon blew away the competition in the annual PE test........all that sugar he used to consume must have paid off.....always wondered if he had diabetes by now......lol
Posted by Walter Hale (1974-1976) | Picture 61 |
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Ricky Taylor.....a name that I remember so well because of his penchant for a somewhat salvadore dali type of artistry.....I still have one of his sketches penned around 1974 I guess.......still waiting for him to become famous so I can sell the print on ebay......lol
Posted by Walter Hale (1974-1976) | Picture 64 |
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Fall, '71, I'd say. My brother Tom & cousin Pete YeskeStevens are in there, and they were summer '71 enlistees.
- Pint (snickering right there behind Wally)
Posted by Paul Benoit (1970-1973) | Picture 53 |
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You are right cheez,we hung in there and didn't lose anyone, but remember how sore our backs were after that? I also remember that our bus wouldn't start as we were trying to leave, and we didn't get out of there for several hours later!
Posted by R. Stephen Phipps (1975-1995) | Picture 94 |
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This is the rehearsal for the bicentenial of the Yorktown surrender. The job went the next day. We marched on at 0900 and marched off at 1315. We were on the field for 4 hours and 15 minutes. The Corps was the only unit that did not lose a single member. I remember those speeches too, Sven......and the bird you threw out the window on the bus trip back!!!! HA!
Posted by Richard Lunsford {Jr.} (1976-1996) | Picture 94 |
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The snare drummer looks like Duane Haffield a little. I'll bet this wasn't a "rehearsal" - why else would Mike Williams be wearing his Class A Jock Strap? I'll bet it's a "Changing of the Hat" ceremony at one of the line companies.
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 228 |
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Drum Major Marvin Jones, John Young (snare), Larry Whalen (bass), Gary Knepper (snare), a bunch of fifers
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 230 |
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Drum major Marvin Jones, COL Joseph Conmy; fifers, l-r: Gus Baade, Lew Robertson, Phil Finch, Paul Peek, Inesis Berzins
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 24 |
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Drum major Marvin Jones; first rank, l-r: Gus Baade, Mike Williams, Don Jancosek, Lew Robertson, Paul Peek; behind Robertson: Paul Offutt, Joe Martin, Paul Seavey; behind Peek: Jim Kletke, John Young
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 27 |
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Actually, that's the IRS building on Constitution Ave in the background with the Ellipse to the left (through the trees).
Posted by Ross Andrews (1981-2000) | Picture 23 |
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This is not the Washington Monument - obviously it's the Pentagon. I think it's also later than '65.
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 23 |
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l-r: Dave Bazinet's eye (snare), Lt. John Rainbolt (OIC), Tom McFadden (bass), Gary Knepper (snare), Marvin Jones (drum major, Joe Martin (snare), Dan Tanner (bass), and John Young's drum (snare). Taken Ft. Myer Gym, early 1967; preparation for Prelude to Taps. We were posing for a story in Army Digest.
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 220 |
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left to right: Marvin Jones (drum major), Fred Quigley, Innie Berzins, Paul Peek, Mike Williams (partially blocked), Marty Vargo, Phil Finch, Norm Bailiff. Taken in the gymnasium (for Prelude to Taps?), probably 1966
Posted by Joseph Martin (1966-1969) | Picture 18 |
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This was the 25th anniversary muster, I believe. I am behind Gerry Chewning on the left. I stuck pretty close to Gerry back then, since he was the one who taught me the fife!
Posted by Christopher Lussier (1984-1986) | Picture 115 |
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It's hard to see, but I believe that I'm the third fife from the top in this photo. Looks like Andrea and Meagan on either side of me.
Posted by Christopher Lussier (1984-1986) | Picture 114 |
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I was first snare on the right. Have Washington Post photo of the drumline from this parade. We used black ebony drumsticks given to us by the maker. We retired them from use after this parade. We were made to wear white cotton gloves for this parade only. Not the best for holding sticks. Hope to hear from someone.
Posted by Robert Gaumer (1964-1966) | Picture 217 |
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Hi Folks, I was with the Corps at this time. Photo was taken at Battery Park, NY. Also played in the Singer Bowl, Worlds Fair for the Shah of Iran and his wife. Do you have any photos that show us at the Singer Bowl? Thanks, Robert A. Gaumer
Posted by Robert Gaumer (1964-1966) | Picture 16 |
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I was the bugler on the 5th line on the side of the eye. I beleive Rich Lowe was directly in front of me and Scott Proud was in front of him. I remember the smell of the roses which wasn't bad...but then the march of eternity began. Then we had another Rose Tournament in Portland the next day? Didn't we? It poured down rain there so it was all jamed into the sports dome there.
Posted by Johnnie Arnold III (1974-1977) | Picture 64 |
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I am in the center of the picture playing bugle, Dan Shelton is behind playing bugle and Pete Yeskewics is playing the Bass Drum.
Posted by Johnnie Arnold III (1974-1977) | Picture 242 |
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I arrived at the very end of 73....MSG Jim Castle took over Sgt Ballingers slot after he passed away....
Posted by Walter Hale (1974-1976) | Picture 53 |
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Lt. Morton (tweety bird) Derf Hallet l to r, Hollway,Ridge,
Chomoko,Wirtjes, Humiston
Posted by James McDonald (1965-1965) | Picture 216 |
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riflemen left to right-Richard Hohle,Ralph Hartman,Quinn???, Ralph Pope
Posted by James McDonald (1965-1965) | Picture 213 |
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Nice mustache dude!!
Posted by John (Jack) Stecher (1976-1979) | Picture 272 |
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Behind Pete Craig is non other than The Birdman , Larry Craven and behind him is Jim Messianno , the Jersey boy, but I know the Birdman can fill in the blanks in regard to the bugle section members and if memory serves me the bugle section only knew like 2 songs and those 2 had about 4 notes each
Posted by Paul Robotti (1968-1971) | Picture 40 |
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By the way I surely was'nt at this job. I was very short and Mr Kenney deceided that I needed to stay back and master the buffer .
Posted by Paul Robotti (1968-1971) | Picture 225 |
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Sorry Bill!
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 99 |
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Parade looks like it was in the fall of 1985. Visible from right to left Steve Phipps, Milton Harding, Otrie Barrett, Rick Medlar, Chris Lussier, Brian Ledbetter, Rees Richardson, Brian Hagan, Chris Cleven, Valerie Wang, Dennis Holmes, Scott Redfield, Dane Snyder, and the sliver of a snare drummer looks like BJ McAllister.
Posted by Scott Redfield (1985-1988) | Picture 117 |
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That's me, second row of fifes (behind Gerry Chewning)! Living proof that you CAN perform for a president WITHOUT A SECURITY CLEARANCE!
Posted by Christopher Lussier (1984-1986) | Picture 120 |
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Hi,
By any chance, do you have video of the 1975 Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade.
Please respond.
Thank You
Benito S.
Posted by Robert Arruda (1962-1964) | Picture 62 |
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I think that is Randy "Angus" McGee over Cleven's shoulder
Posted by John Markle (1973-1975) | Picture 242 |
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Write your comment here Conmy Hall (C-Hall or sometimes Ceremonial Hall) is the old North Area Gym (across from the old Post Theater and Service Club) where both Prelude To Taps and Twilight Tattoo were held. Uline Arena was in DC, off North Capitol Street, where the Corps performed at a Pre-Inaugural show for President-Elect Kennedy in 1961. This picture would have been around January 1962 and I'm the Bass Drummer shown. Cheers to all Originals. Pete
Posted by Peter McDermott (1960-1962) | Picture 7 |
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1. special something = timbers from Wayside Inn, c. 1929
2. special someone = Russ Kirby
3. special fifes = made from 1 by 2, above.
P.S. I'm not George, but that's the only way I could get this message through. I chose his name because it sounds cool.
Posted by George Colovus (1970-1972) | Picture 91 |
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What a picture! Talk about a couple of characters! Two finer individuals have never worn the red. These guys kept everyone sane back in the late 70's, especially me. Where's Mutch??
Posted by John (Jack) Stecher (1976-1979) | Picture 237 |
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I remember this photo very well! I got tired of marching in the second row, so I said that day, "Hey I'm in the front row today guys!" That's me, second from the left, front row. The White House was very well guarded as we all knew. These Memories, aren't they wonderful?
Posted by Danny Arnette (1977-1980) | Picture 83 |
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We played at a lot of musters. Although we never competed, we were always warmly welcomed, and respected.It was always a great feeling to hear the cheers we recieved when we made our grand entrances. I met so many fine people at these musters. That's me, second row on the right end. Personally, I never thought those Sudbury fifes sounded as good as ours,they just didn't project, and have the tone that the Mcdonagh fifes did.
Posted by Danny Arnette (1977-1980) | Picture 91 |
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Oh my GOSH! Man was it cold that day or what? We were the only guys dress in colonials, while everyone else was in winter dress! Fun trip though. We traveled with the Golden Knights on this trip to Lake Placid. We also traded insignia from our uniforms with Russian citizens. We were told not to do this, but what the heck, the officers were doing it! I came back with a bag full of Russian insignia.
Posted by Danny Arnette (1977-1980) | Picture 85 |
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You are right, that is Chris Cleven with the wedding band, to his left is Mike Davies, John Shea is not in this picture. Everyone else is identified correctly as I remember.
Bill
Posted by William Gittins (1974-1977) | Picture 242 |
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Just so there is no more confussion about who the snare drummer on the left is, It is the one and only BUZZARD, aka Rodney Boward.
Posted by Rodney Boward (1970-1980) | Picture 35 |
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If I remember right those fifes were made especially for the bi-cential, and were only used on very special ocassions. I left the corp in November of 1980, and at
that time they were in the display case by the rehearsal hall. Best wishes to all from the BUZZARD.
Posted by Rodney Boward (1970-1980) | Picture 91 |
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"Vinnie, they promised that we only had to do OUR section, and YOU believed them? What are you, new?"
Posted by Robert Simpson (1989-2006) | Picture 245 |
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What's JL looking at?!?!?
Posted by Melissa Dyer (see Stephens) (1997-2006) | Picture 91 |
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That's Mike Williams being dressed for his first prom. Drum major Marvin Jones adjusts the rented tux.
Posted by Donald Jancosek (1966-1967) | Picture 231 |
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Don Swanson used to fill his mouth with lighter fluid and as he spit it out he would light it -- at 0 dark 30 being dark it would scare the snot out of a new guy -- Anthony Aiello are you the new guy he used to do this to ????
Posted by Paul Robotti (1968-1971) | Picture 155 |
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All I have to say is you guys are getting old ----- What's up Joe Randazzo -- Pete Hubert -- and Joseph Trottie [ you know I never knew your first name was Joseph ] Anyhow how are you guys doing ??? Aloha , Paul
Posted by Paul Robotti (1968-1971) | Picture 47 |
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This was at the Sudbury (Massachusetts) muster. The fifers are playing on those special fifes that were made from some thing special by a special person from Sudbury (please fill in the special blanks, someone...). They were always kept in the trophy case in their own special box. I think they are now with the original 18th Century espontoon - wherever that may be... :-)
Posted by Allen Reed (1975-1988) | Picture 91 |
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It is hard to believe that 34 years has passed since this picture.
Posted by Joseph Trottie (1969-1971) | Picture 47 |
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Was actually June 1991... probably the last "big name" WH job that I did before my ETS in December of that year
Posted by Thomas Hopkins (1985-1991) | Picture 147 |
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Was actually 1985... I remember that I was still a PFC when the pix was taken
Posted by Thomas Hopkins (1985-1991) | Picture 126 |
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Was actually March of '89... Bush Sr. was Prez and it was the Bi-Centennial of Washington's Inauguration
Posted by Thomas Hopkins (1985-1991) | Picture 125 |
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Had to be 1987 or later, since COL Williamson was CO from '85 to '87, and COL Hennessey was CO from '87 to '89
Posted by Thomas Hopkins (1985-1991) | Picture 116 |
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On a second look at this picture, it should be dated somewhere around April, May or June of 1979.
James (Jim) Scheddel is in this picture and he didn't arrive at the Corps until January of 1979. In
another picture taken by Ross Statham at this same gig, (A picture of "The Wall"), James (Jim) Nuss
(aka Dr Doom) is pictured and his ETS was in July of 1979. Since the leaves are on the trees,
it suggest this picture was taken in late spring or early summer, but the year was definitly 1979.
Posted by Mark Barnes (1977-1980) | Picture 68 |
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I might be able to help ballpark the date of this photo . On the left and right of Sgt Henderson are George Coleavos ETS 72 and on the right is Greg Reis ETS 72 and also Sgt Leo Ballinger [ who passed away in 73 ]
Posted by Paul Robotti (1968-1971) | Picture 53 |
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This is definitely 1971 - I'm in this picture as well as Steve Jensen (Bass Drummer second row left end).
Posted by Pete Hubert (1969-1972) | Picture 53 |
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That extremely good-looking guy in the tan slacks and holding a paper near the top right is Jim JAEGER (not Yeager).
Posted by James Jaeger (1977-1980) | Picture 69 |
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Remember we rehearsed to get the President out of trouble before we got there, PLUS...people along the parade route were telling us the bridge was going to be blown up when we got there
Posted by John Markle (1973-1975) | Picture 57 |
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I remember this picture well. Ross also gave a copy of this photo to me. It ranks right in there with some of his best photos he had taken and Ross produced a lot of great photos while he was there.
Thanks Ross, I still have this photo to this day.
Mark Barnes(elmo)
Posted by Mark Barnes (1977-1980) | Picture 68 |
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I love the picture it is so inspiring to see such a great photo like that it should be hung up in the musem of natual history Thank you,
Arnelle Bolouvi
Posted by William White (1994-2006) | Picture 126 |
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I thank I was first snare on the left
Posted by George Brown (1963-1966) | Picture 217 |
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This is a view of 15th St. in NW DC, looking northeast. The building with arched windows is the Hotel Washington and the short white building w/black roof is the Rhodes Tavern (now gone) famed spot where British troops drank after burning Washington in 1814.
Posted by Anthony Aiello (1970-1972) | Picture 155 |
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Not John Shea, but Chris Cleven(w/wedding band) -Andy-
Posted by William Reese (1975-1977) | Picture 242 |
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Pete Yeskewicz, Bass Drum
Dan Sheldon, Bugle
Johnnie Arnold(?), Bugle
Mike Joyce, Fife
"Mike" Middlekauf, Snare
Tom Williamson, Bugle
John Shea(?), Fife
Mike Davies, or maybe me, Fife
-- Andy --
Posted by William Reese (1975-1977) | Picture 242 |
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Now there's a couple of jokers!!!
I have many great memories of youse guys.
Andy Reese, 1975-1977
Posted by William Reese (1975-1977) | Picture 237 |
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Second row, far right (left as you look at the photo). Way too many eyes not looking forward there!! ;-)
Remember how shiny that concrete floor was!!!
Posted by Richard Amerman (1988-1990) | Picture 130 |
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To Whom It May Concern:
As member of the F & D Corps, circa 1960-1961, I participated in JFK's Inaugral Parade along with many varied military ceremonies in and around the MDW area.
I retired from the Army in 2002, as a CSM, with a combined military service -active and reserve- of 35 years.
1LT Jim Goff, a personal friend and one of the original members of the F & D Corps, succumbed (in 1994)to wounds he received in Vietnam while serving with the 101st ABN Div. Jim is buried in Section 8 at Arlington Cemetary.
Faithfully,
Gary Mastroleo
Newark, NY
Posted by Gary Mastroleo (1960-1961) | Picture 154 |
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Phipper, Trish is still lovely... and you're getting OLD!...Ross
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 284 |
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I have never sweated (is that a word?) this much on any job in my life! I remember hearing the sweat drip off of my elbow and tap on the drumhead. The tapping went on throughout the speeches. I started to worry when the tapping stopped. I figured once I stopped sweating that it wouldn’t be long before I landed face first on the tarmac. After we marched off, I looked down to see the Remo stamp on my drumhead had been washed away by the sweat. Long black streaks like mascara running down the drumhead. I have never before and never after been on a performance that was as long, hot, and miserable as that. I was grateful to God that I made it through.
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 122 |
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Dan Sheldon and I were always looking for celebrities wherever we went-we saw Helen Reddy in the dressing/waiting area in Macys (turns out she is Grand Marshall) so we strode right up to her and introduced ourselves and took pictures with her (Sheldon ALWAYS had a camera). Also the Rockettes were dressing behind curtain barriers right near us so we took a quick peek!
Posted by Rickey Taylor (1974-1976) | Picture 61 |
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Fourth row: Dan Anderson (section Leader) is center, I am to his left(Rickey Taylor), Dan Sheldon is on the end of the 5 row (right side looking at it). I had to pee the whole parade!
Posted by Rickey Taylor (1974-1976) | Picture 64 |
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Smitty was thinking about how good a Super big Gulp diet coke and a 7-11 cinabun would taste right about then!!!
Posted by Timothy Smithheart (1980-1999) | Picture 150 |
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I don't think this is the photo that ended up on the corps LP. If I recall, the corps was pictured marching on the cover photo. In that picture, the left most drummer in the back is pictured looking down the drum line at the dress of the line. You have to look hard.
So much for details!
Posted by Brian Pentony (1981-2001) | Picture 83 |
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My wife says you look like Michael Mcdonald, Scott...I'm glad you're in New England.
Posted by Terry Schiffbauer (1985-1989) | Picture 255 |
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Yup.
Posted by Terry Schiffbauer (1985-1989) | Picture 282 |
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This could not be any later than 89 because that's Woody DM
Posted by Gerald Chewning (1977-1994) | Picture 146 |
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ARRRGGG!! Millions of kids running around. Look out, Woodwell! This is an official US Army photo-- they sent an PIO photographer out to shoot this one. I liked the result very much. Shows the crowd, shows us getting ready to do a right wheel. Doesn't show us trying not to step on small children or eggs! The "veterans" had warned us rookies early on about these, but we had several years where we didn't have to go do one. This was my first and only.
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 81 |
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This was a pretty hot afternoon-- they used a US Army photographer for this photo (I think) and I wasn't all that impressed with the result. You'd think he could at least had the fifes acting like they're playing and us looking like we're marching-- what can I say? We lined up, they moved us around for about ten minutes, and he snapped a few photos. I think the resulting photo is about as exciting as watching tin cans rust.
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 83 |
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I remember this gig and taking the photo. We were dedicating the Petersburg Museum-- don't remember the performance, but remember setting up this photo. Bob LeMal's pointing at me saying "NEW," of course. Nice to see the comments from Jack Stecher-- miss that sense of humor, bud~ This shot was just a snap of a bunch of the guys as they left the museum before we got dressed for the gig. Thanks for donating it, Your Honor. (Ask Steve where he got THAT nick name.)
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 69 |
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Ah, the Australia trip. It was great. We got to take the veterans of Corps I & II. Note that Bennie and John are showing off their Australian "black swan" tatoos! I set us all up one of the last evenings of the trip on the sand dunes by the beach, then had my Canon A-1 (with Kodachrome 64 slide film) set on a tripod with fill-in flash. Set the 10 second timer, then ran around behind and between Bennie and John Moffit in the back of the photo. (You can see me with my big mouth open next to Bennie's swan tatoo.)
Australia was a great trip. Campbell Barracks, where we stayed, is home to the Aussie Special Air Services. I made a lifetime buddy in Chris Nally on that trip-- he's been stateside twice to visit. As you can see, we were pretty relaxed and treated our trip to Aussie land more as a vacation than a tough trip! We performed every evening for the tourists and had the day to ourselves. I don't know what was better-- Western Australia or its people. Thanks for posting this photo, "Wookie." Hope all you cool cats are well. Drop me a line sometime.
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 75 |
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Tom was a real buddy. His death was a blow to all of us. I still miss him. Thanks for posting this one, Phipper.
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 238 |
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Ah, this one was fun. I had brought my tripod with me on this gig, told the guys we'd actually all get together in one shot for a change. Right after warmups and while we were waiting around I used my Canon A-1 with Kodachrome 64 slide film and available light in the early evening. Sorry for the texture-- I had these printed on a "canvas" paper. Picture sure brings back some great memories, guys!
Posted by Ross Statham (1975-1980) | Picture 68 |
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To the right of John Flynn may be Paul Benoit ("Half Pint").
I remember the trip, I remember it was Summer of '71, probably mid- to late June or early July. We stayed on Ft. DeRussy in downtown Honolulu. Wish I was still that skinny!
Posted by Christopher Bupert (1970-1972) | Picture 225 |
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I was at the reunion, but that is not me in the picture.
Posted by Jack Chomko (1963-1965) | Picture 261 |
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Isn't that Mark Connolly on the right??
Posted by Kathy Mullen (1987-1990) | Picture 282 |
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Tony... those glasses... you look so studious.
Posted by Richard Ruddle (1989-2008) | Picture 289 |
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Smitty, thinking about the Bear Claw he left back on the bus!
Posted by Richard Ruddle (1989-2008) | Picture 150 |
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And Havrilla in the background... clueless looking! Not much has changed! Love you Tim.
Posted by Richard Ruddle (1989-2008) | Picture 248 |
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Ya know... you look just a little to who-ah in that hat!
Posted by Richard Ruddle (1989-2008) | Picture 248 |
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Gee guys, could you try to spell my name right?
Posted by William Phoenix (1980-1983) | Picture 99 |
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Cece, if you get this, please call Seth at 415 899-4775
Posted by Cecelia Becker (1988-2008) | Picture 266 |
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I was surprised to hear that my picture was on the web, but here I am - probably in the spring of 1965. I recognized a lot of names from the name listing. I left the Old Guard in '68, attended FA OCS at Ft Sill, Ok. Tours in Viet Nam (101st), Ft Meade (6th ACR), Ft Sill (1/30th FA). Advisor/Instructor to Royal Saudi Artillery during '73 conflict. Transferred to Reserves in '74. Commanded at Bn - Gp level. Retired from reserves in '97. Employed as Acquisition Manager/Advisor, Oklahoma City Air Logistic Center (AF Material Command), Tinker AFB, Ok.
Doug Pangborn
Col,FA (Ret)
Posted by Douglas Pangborn (1965-1966) | Picture 22 |
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Try not to look at my face on this one!!
Posted by Melissa Stevens (nee Dyer) (1997-2006) | Picture 266 |
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Hicky, what is it with you? You never seem to get older.... Wait a minute, I think I know... AHAAAA
Posted by Jeffery Johann (1975-1977) | Picture 281 |
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It is Don Moon
Posted by Dale Cruickshank (1977-1993) | Picture 124 |
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Write your comment hereThis was the job where Woody got his stick caught in the lights overhead and almost took out the fife section.
Posted by Dale Cruickshank (1977-1993) | Picture 236 |
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Live show, March 7, 1971.
Posted by Joseph Randazzo (1969-1971) | Picture 47 |
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Funny...I don't remember marching!!!
Posted by Stephen Varhol (1972-1975) | Picture 278 |
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Calvin Blankenship...background
Posted by Stephen Varhol (1972-1975) | Picture 275 |
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Don Bernard...background
Posted by Stephen Varhol (1972-1975) | Picture 272 |
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background...John Benoit and Dave Mcdonald
Posted by Stephen Varhol (1972-1975) | Picture 269 |
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this is Spongebob
Posted by Tom Gergler (1969-1972) | Picture 259 |
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How did those two roses end up surrounded by so many onions?
Posted by Darryl Brenzel (1986-1988) | Picture 127 |
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Great trip and a fun time with fantastic people. Was in Reno again recently and remembered fondly this trip and the excursion to Tahoe.
Posted by Darryl Brenzel (1986-1988) | Picture 134 |
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Write your comment here I don,t like this kind of action.
Posted by Frank Adams (1974-1975) | Picture 162 |
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Write your comment her I know the center snare is Randazzo. I think the one on the right is Winston England. Not sure who the left snare is. Bass drums are definitely Davieau and Gergler. On the far side, it looks like John Flynn and Tom Grossman on fifes.
Posted by Thomas Lester (1968-1971) | Picture 35 |
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Looks like a Drum Major and a Drum Minor! (Sorry, I couldn't pass it up!)
Posted by Allen Reed (1975-1988) | Picture 290 |
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Chris Bosshardt, Sven Bridstrup, and Ted Kruczkowski
Posted by Allen Reed (1975-1988) | Picture 287 |
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The unknown is Joe Mawn - presently in FDC - a kick-ass fifer who came from the Mariners (I think that's called "from the Ridiculous to the Sublime...")
Posted by Allen Reed (1975-1988) | Picture 267 |
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The middle man is Joe "Mawn".
Posted by Scott Redfield (1985-1988) | Picture 255 |
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Unkown is Joe "Mone" He is in the OG now & plays with the Mariners. Not sure how is last name is spelled.
Posted by Bruce Greenhalgh (1974-1977) | Picture 255 |
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During the Time I was in the San Antonio Trips were the best!!!
Posted by Dwight Dodd (1981-1984) | Picture 236 |
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It was an election year. we got the word that The president was going to not only speak to us, but each of the units in the arrival honor Guard. President Reagan did address us in formation. He said, "I think you boys do a bang up job. But, you will have to forgive me because I was in the calvary." (Bless his heart)
Posted by Dwight Dodd (1981-1984) | Picture 110 |
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This was an important event. Lots of pomp and circumstance. Not only a beautiuful venue, but also an historically significant event as well. And were was I oon this important day? I was stuck at the dressing area "guarding" our empty instrument cases and empty garment bags. I was so ticked!
Posted by Dwight Dodd (1981-1984) | Picture 106 |
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This was the weekend that Ferenc Toth and I Drove. He had this cool little Fiat Spider Convertable. On the off ramp in Connecticut where we were staying for this Volunteer gig, we got ramed in the rear of the car. Ferenc's car was totaled. Fortunatly, we were not hurt. But we had to stay in Connecticut extra days to settle up the insurance. On Army Time by the way!
Posted by Dwight Dodd (1981-1984) | Picture 103 |
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| This was the Patriot's Day parade in Concord Ma in April, |
